"Avoiding any reference to the pop would mean either being retrograde about what's "permissible" in serious art or else writing about some other world."

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• "It's seldom acknowledged that viewers' relationship with TV is, albeit debased, intricate and profound. "
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• "One new context is to take something almost narcotizingly banal- it's hard to think of ..."
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• "People have been under some sort of metaphysical anesthesia, so you dismantle the metaphysics' axioms ..."
• "People who've been raised with U.S. commercial culture and are engaged with it and informed ..."
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• "The crank-turners capitalize for a while on sheer fashion, and they get their plaudits and ..."
• "The first fictional clicks I encountered were in Donald Barthelme's "The Balloon" and in parts ..."
• "The great thing about irony is that it splits things apart, gets up above them ..."
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• "The interesting thing is why we're so desperate for this anesthetic against loneliness. "

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• "The modernists and early postmodernists - all the way from Mallarme to Coover, I guess ..."
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• "The popularity of "Broom" mystifies me. I can't say it's not nice to have people ..."
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• "The virtuous always triumph? Ward Cleaver is the prototypical fifties father? "Sure." Sarcasm, parody, absurdism ..."
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• "This diagnosis can be done in about two lines. It doesn't engage anybody. "
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• "This is nourishing, redemptive; we become less alone inside. "
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• "TV-type art's biggest hook is that it's figured out ways to "reward" passive spectation. "
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• "We all suffer alone in the real world; true empathy's impossible. "
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• "Well, it's too simple to just wring your hands and claim TV's ruined readers. Because ..."
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• "With descriptions that are simply lists of brand-name consumer products. "
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