"Look man, we'd probably most of us agree that these are dark times, and stupid ones, but do we need fiction that does nothing but dramatize how dark and stupid everything is?"

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• "It's seldom acknowledged that viewers' relationship with TV is, albeit debased, intricate and profound. "
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• "This diagnosis can be done in about two lines. It doesn't engage anybody. "
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• "Well, it's too simple to just wring your hands and claim TV's ruined readers. Because ..."
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• "With descriptions that are simply lists of brand-name consumer products. "
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